Former Vice President Mike Pence testified on Thursday before a grand jury investigating former President Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss, according to Politico.
Pence fought the subpoena issued by special counsel Jack Smith’s office but a court ultimately ruled that he would have to testify, though it limited the scope of the questions he had to answer. Trump tried to intervene and block Pence’s testimony, citing executive privilege, but an appellate court rejected his motion as well just hours before Pence’s appearance.
Pence arrived at the federal courthouse in D.C. at around 9 am on Thursday and did not leave until around 4:30 pm, according to NBC News. He apparently entered the courthouse through a parking garage entrance that allows witnesses to avoid being seen in public areas.
Pence is a critical figure in the Justice Department’s probe of the events surrounding the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. Trump repeatedly pressured Pence to block the certification of President Joe Biden’s win and later lashed out at him after the former veep refused. Trump supporters who overran the Capitol marched through the halls chanting “hang Mike Pence” as he was whisked away to safety by Secret Service.
U.S. District Judge James Boasberg rejected Trump’s executive privilege claims and a three-judge appeals panel upheld the ruling on Wednesday. Boasberg also rejected Pence’s bid to avoid testifying but ruled that he has immunity from testifying on topics related to his role as president of the Senate on Jan. 6.
“I don’t know what he said, but I have a lot of confidence in him,” Trump told NBC News on Thursday.
Pence, who may challenge the former president for the 2024 Republican nomination, has criticized the former president over the Capitol attack even as he refused to cooperate with the Jan. 6 committee and fought the DOJ subpoena.
“President Trump was wrong. I had no right to overturn the election,” Pence said during a speech last month. “And his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know history will hold Donald Trump accountable.”
Pence’s testimony may be crucial in Smith’s probe.
Pence had “access to information that few or no other people have,” explained MSNBC host Ari Melber. “It’s the kind of information that the DOJ wants because it could inform quite decisively whether other people are indicted or not in this coup probe.”
Former federal prosecutor and MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirschner called the testimony a “historic benchmark.”
Pence “just testified in the grand jury about the crimes of his former boss,” he tweeted. “Take it from this old prosecutor-Pence’s testimony is sharply incriminating of Trump & moves the needle further in the direction of a Trump indictment.”
Former federal prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, who served on special counsel Bob Mueller’s team, said that there was “very little reason to dawdle” by prosecutors after Pence’s testimony.
“Expect decisions soon from Jack Smith,” he wrote.
“We’re so close to events that some times it’s hard to see their significance,” noted former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman. “The former VPOTUS just testified in a criminal investigation of his former POTUS. That is basically breathtaking.”
We’re not backing down in the face of Trump’s threats.
As Donald Trump is inaugurated a second time, independent media organizations are faced with urgent mandates: Tell the truth more loudly than ever before. Do that work even as our standard modes of distribution (such as social media platforms) are being manipulated and curtailed by forces of fascist repression and ruthless capitalism. Do that work even as journalism and journalists face targeted attacks, including from the government itself. And do that work in community, never forgetting that we’re not shouting into a faceless void – we’re reaching out to real people amid a life-threatening political climate.
Our task is formidable, and it requires us to ground ourselves in our principles, remind ourselves of our utility, dig in and commit.
As a dizzying number of corporate news organizations – either through need or greed – rush to implement new ways to further monetize their content, and others acquiesce to Trump’s wishes, now is a time for movement media-makers to double down on community-first models.
At Truthout, we are reaffirming our commitments on this front: We won’t run ads or have a paywall because we believe that everyone should have access to information, and that access should exist without barriers and free of distractions from craven corporate interests. We recognize the implications for democracy when information-seekers click a link only to find the article trapped behind a paywall or buried on a page with dozens of invasive ads. The laws of capitalism dictate an unending increase in monetization, and much of the media simply follows those laws. Truthout and many of our peers are dedicating ourselves to following other paths – a commitment which feels vital in a moment when corporations are evermore overtly embedded in government.
Over 80 percent of Truthout‘s funding comes from small individual donations from our community of readers, and the remaining 20 percent comes from a handful of social justice-oriented foundations. Over a third of our total budget is supported by recurring monthly donors, many of whom give because they want to help us keep Truthout barrier-free for everyone.
You can help by giving today. Whether you can make a small monthly donation or a larger gift, Truthout only works with your support.