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First Fear, Then Loathing, Toward Wall Street

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by: Allison Linn, MSNBC.com

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Public fear turns to anger over Wall Street collapse. (Photo: Richard Drew / AP)

    Crisis sparks anger over executive salaries, lax regulation.

    Steve Ebels hasn't been that hurt by the recent stock market roller-coaster ride because he no longer has much to lose.

    Ebels, who owns a heating business, said he already lost much of his life savings when a general contractor he was doing work for went belly up, leaving Ebels with a pile of bills for materials and labor he had already invested in the project.

    And that is perhaps the biggest reason why Ebels, 51, would like to see the failed Wall Street titans pay for the actions that have led to this crisis. If he has to start over because of a soured business deal, he figures, so should they.

    "I would just like to see some way that these people are held personally accountable," he said. "We've got to do more of that in this country: personal responsibility and accountability."

    For Ebels, who lives in Falmouth, Mich., it's also especially galling that people like him, who are already suffering from the weak economy, will now end up footing the bill for these chief executives' mistakes.

    "All (the bailout has) done is transfer all the indiscretions of all these people onto the shoulders of the taxpayers," he said.

    As Americans digest a dizzying series of events that has left Wall Street shaken to its core, the mood on Main Street is shifting from fear to loathing. They are angry that government regulators did not do enough to prevent this - and protect them - in the first place. They are upset the government is proposing billions of dollars in bailouts for Wall Street, even as many regular Americans are struggling to hang onto their homes and pay their bills.

    They also are livid that massive financial firms in which they trusted took wild risks and made incredibly bad decisions, in turn impacting their personal finances. Some wonder why, in the face of such a massive financial crisis, so few of these executives have stepped up to apologize for, or even try to explain, their actions.

    Mostly, they think it's despicable that many of these top executives could walk away with millions of dollars in their bank accounts, even as some average Americans see their retirement plans thrown into chaos.

    The Senate Tuesday opened a series of congressional hearings on the bailout plan that will address some of the issues, such as executive compensation and relief for regular homeowners, that have drawn some of the outrage.

    The one thing Susan Provencal, 63, knows is that her retirement will not go as planned. First, Provencal was laid off from one, then another, high-paying job training workers. Then, she had to abandon a plan to live in her getaway home in the mountains because she couldn't find enough work there, either.

    So, Provencal decided to sell that home and put all her equity into a condo in the northern California city of Fairfield, where she found clerical work. But in the year since she bought the condo - and after staving off phone calls urging her to take on the type of non-traditional home loans at the center of this crisis - she has seen its value plummet.

    Now, with her home equity wiped out, her regular income down and her retirement investments suffering, Provencal figures there will be no way she will retire in three years as she had hoped. Plus, she's worried about her kids and grandkids, whom she wouldn't be able to help if they lost their homes or their jobs.

    As she struggles to figure out her drastically changed situation, Provencal says it's aggravating to think that Wall Street executives aren't suffering a similar financial fate.

    "It's like adding insult to injury to then see that the government is going to step in, and these idiots that have done wrongdoing for a long time are still going to retain big bonuses," she said.

    Provencal thinks the executives should have seen these problems coming. And if they couldn't foresee it, then she thinks safeguards are needed to prevent the same thing from happening again.

    "I hate to see too much regulation in place, but the bottom line is, these institutions have not been self-regulating," she said.

    At 59, Richard Martin also is dealing with a suddenly changed financial landscape. Martin had planned to stop working next year, using his 401(k) savings and two pensions he has earned to finance his retirement. But after watching his investment portfolio shrink for the past 12 months, he said that plan is looking iffy at best.

    Adding to his woes, Martin now isn't sure he'll have a job, even if he does decide to keep working. The Grand Prairie, Texas, resident works for Electronic Data Systems, which was recently bought by Hewlett-Packard. Last week, HP announced plans to cut 24,600 jobs over the next few years as it absorbs EDS.

    But even if he postpones retirement, Martin isn't going to hold out for a stock market rebound. Last week, he arranged to have his 401(k) investments moved completely into cash-like investments. News later in the week of the proposed massive bailout plan didn't make him feel better about betting on the markets.

    "I'm not sure anything gives me any confidence anymore," he said.

    In fact, to Martin, the bailout seems to just be giving corporations what they want, without forcing them to change their ways enough to prevent the same thing from happening again. If these companies have spent the last few decades arguing for deregulation, he figures they should be willing to live with the consequences of a free market.

    "I would have loved to have seen a few of these go under, personally," Martin said. "The idea of the free market is that the strong survive and if they're not capable of surviving, they shouldn't be in the marketplace."

    Michael Danter, 45, thinks the government did the right thing by coming to the aid of a few financial institutions, in an effort to maintain some measure of confidence in the U.S. financial system.

    Still, he thinks the top executives at companies getting federal aid should pay for their misdeeds in the form of a substantially smaller paycheck, especially since the savings could be enough to save a couple thousand regular workers their jobs.

    "I know they work hard and I'm not into this socialism, but what's enough? One million? Two million?" he asked.

    Still, despite the current crisis, in general Danter said he's against more regulation of the financial markets. The physician, who lives in St. Louis, also has no plans to get out of the stock market, especially since retirement is still a long way off for him.

    "As far as I'm concerned, this is a good time to buy," he said.

    Even among experts, there is some room for anger.

    Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research who was among the few predicting this type of mortgage-related disaster years ago, has the biggest beef with former Fed chief Alan Greenspan, who he believes should have done more to temper the housing bubble that is at the root of the crisis.

    "If he didn't know it was going on, it was undoubtedly incompetence on his part," Baker said of Greenspan.

    Mark Gertler, a professor of economics at New York University, also thinks Americans have a right to be angry, both at the regulators who failed to police these financial institutions and at the companies who didn't see this mess coming.

    While many Americans may have assumed that the denizens of Wall Street had a keener understanding of the situation than they did, he said it's been sobering to realize that even executives at some of the biggest financial companies, such as insurance giant AIG, didn't fully appreciate the risk involved.

    "The thing you learn is people who seem smarter than you may not be," he said. "That's the scary thing."

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Thanks for the great info,

Thanks for the great info, we linked to your article in our Bailout 101 post at the CA NOW blog: http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2008/09/bailout-101.html

I have to wonder how many of

I have to wonder how many of the people interviewed for this article are going to end up voting McCain anyway.

Let the system fail if it

Let the system fail if it will, but a bailout will be far more than we, the people, will be able to stomach in the long run as we chafe in a Socialist economic climate. Let free enterprise go, lower the taxes for small enterprises and businesses so that they may expand, grow and EMPLOY workers....THAT will ALWAYS work in the long run...NOT this smoke and mirrors bulldozer ploy to dupe the American Citizenry: upper, middle and lower income!! Let's pull up our bootstraps, get to work at our business(es), CALL our Congressmen and women and tell them what their constituents WANT THEM TO DO!!! I HAVE because a Socialist Gov't. etc., is NOT WHAT I WANT FOR MY CHILDREN!!!

Snark! Why don't ya'll

Snark! Why don't ya'll build a shrine to Supply Side Jesus and chant "Markets are perfect. Markets are perfect" until platinum crosses rain from the sky? That should work about as well as anything proposed so far. You know, financial catastrophes are very ugly events, but just sometimes karma pitches itself on the right roost.

The assumption was that a

The assumption was that a free market would function on Darwinian terms, as if it were a living organism. But greed and amorality have turned this belief on its head, and I think it reveals the very worst aspects of the human animal, on a scale few anticipated.

So, what would happen if we

So, what would happen if we all stopped paying taxes from here forward until our demands were met?

As the Texas politician once

As the Texas politician once said to a shocked visitor to the Texas capitol " You think we're bad, you should see the people who elected us." Bamboozled by Regan propaganda, the American people choose the easy way out and abandoned their responsibility to democracy. It cut s two ways.You have to educate yourself about the issues for it to function. Instead the electorate allowed the Siren song of free markets, family values and other simplistic "concepts" to sway them and embarked on a march of folly. Now that another bubble has burst, they blame the government for not protecting them. The same government that they not so long ago maintained was better off shut down and privatized. Now, they blame the Wall Street elites. They blame tax and spend Democrats, they blame borrow and spend Republicans but they only very begrudgingly accept that they were also to blame for allowing the" piper to call the tune". Deregulation took place because everybody wanted to get rich quickly. Well almost everybody. And for a while the manipulation of the market place with easy, sleazy credit-er financial engineering - made that notion seem a possibility. Now, comes the daunting task of recovery. Or as GWB put it the hangover, and that's something he "really" knows about.

There is a danger here, it

There is a danger here, it is the danger the Weimar Republic lived and died from, the danger of a devastating crisis exploited by skillful demagogues intent upon domination and destruction, blinded by a "messianic" mission of doom.

Anyone who cannot see the

Anyone who cannot see the trap being set to permently enslave the working-middle class in a perpetual debt-taxation scheme is not reading the writing on the wall. If we buy the package of rubbish this congress and administration are attempting to shove down our throats in short order, we are signing up to be ensnared in a double-helix downward spiral of inflationary prices and declining dollar value. For those of you who do not speak economics let me rephrase it: the consequence of this bailout will be far worse in the long run then allowing the fallout to land on the scoundrels responsible for this excrement heap. We are all in for a mud path, the question is will we allow Paulson to send his home boys to the showers while the rest of us wallow in their dung heap?

The Fed, congress/ba,

The Fed, congress/ba, corporations and wall street are the cause of this disaster. The Fed, in particular, has been the root of the boom/bust syndrome this country has had since WW brought the privately owned entity into the government to take over the printing of money. As anyone knows, he who has the gold, makes the rules and the Fed has been doing this for over 70 years. Question, how many people know that the Fed is a private organization owned by the most powerful banking interests in the world. Question, how may people know that the IRS revenue goes toward paying off the US debt. How many people know that the IRS is 1. illegal (indirect tax) and 2. was founded in 1912, one year before the Fed. Do the analysis about Fractional Reserve Banking and the Glass Stegall act and you will find out why we are in this mess. Also do research on Paulson and Bernakie to see why this bailout is pure crap. Wake up and do research because what you will find will scare the living crap out of you. If Congress does this deal, the coup etat of finance is done. The only hope is when this goes south, the anger will be so great that the Fed will be terminated, something Kennedy wanted to do in July of 1963.

Do you want to know what

Do you want to know what this proposal that George W. Bush is putting into the hands of corporate sponsored political parties? Crunch all the possibilities and then ask yourself, what are your priorities? www.nationalpriorities.org/tradeoffs When you vote - make sure you know what you are voting for. BUT VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE, VOTE!

I personally think that the

I personally think that the people of the US could turn around ALL the various economic problems they face (non-competitiveness, unemployment, dollar devaluation, etc.) in short order if their government got out of the way. The current people in the US seem to have been socially engineered to fulfill politicians' ideals of "what the US should look like" instead of allowing people to be themselves. Having the freedom of trying things and failing but paying the consequences of failure yourself, and being able to express yourself as you were driven - these two were some of the reasons the US became so great. The proposed answer of making people in the US even LESS free and MORE enslaved then they already are may make everyone smile for a while, but the end result is not going to be nice.

Enough! We have had enough

Enough! We have had enough of Wall St. and their scams. These people have destroyed the financial health of the country aided and abetted by a government administration and Congress that has savaged the constitution and bankrupted the nation through spending money on bogeymen of their own making. THIS IS ENOUGH!!!!

A fair solution The $700

A fair solution The $700 Billion Government Bailout – NO WAY! In looking for solutions, the government must put the people first. Mortgage lenders, Investment Bankers and the Brokerage community who require that “profits be privatized” but now want to “socialize risk” can’t have it both ways. They got us into this crisis by not asking whether the people they lent money to could replay. Now those who borrowed are facing the loss of their homes as market conditions have changed. Yes, the consumer has to take some blame in this crisis, but those lending the money have the primary responsibility. Banks benefit form reselling the homeowner’s promise to pay to the Investment Bankers and Brokerages Houses, creating the expectation of billions in profits. Now the value of many of these houses has dropped beyond what the home buyer owes. What happens when the home buyers lose their houses? The Banks end with unoccupied homes – a loss for everyone. Let’s go back to basic. Rather than a bail out of the Investment Bankers and Brokerage Houses, let’s protect the people and reset this economy based on the true market value of these properties, as they stand today. Congress should provide 5% fixed-rate 30 year loans for those “owner-occupied” properties, using today’s market values, therefore permitting people to stay in their homes and pay off their new loans. If the house is worth less than the previous outstanding debt, let the private sector deduct the difference from their taxes. This will be far cheaper than the $700 billion blank check currently being considered. If the home owners default under the current $700 billion bail out scenario, then the Banks end up with houses which they can’t unload, which will not be repaid, only a few could afford to buy and our economy suffers even more. By assisting taxpaying homeowners, the market is stabilized, the banks make money and the people who require that “profits be privatize” and now want their “debt socialized” will pay for the mistakes they made in their rush to make a quick buck. In the long run the mortgage holder benefits by receiving a payback on the current face value of the property, we don’t end up with a lot of foreclosed homes and we don’t give another blank check to those who don’t deserve our trust. Bail out the People, not the Investment Bankers and Brokerage Houses. It’s time for Congress to do the right thing for the people of this country.

What is really irritating is

What is really irritating is the government is and has been in bed with the wall street banksters for the last 30 years look at what nafta and all the other alphabet soup free trade things have done to us and the places outside of the US our industrial base was exported so wall st could profit and central america as their reward had their farming culture destroyed Dow Monsanto cargill just loved that and now here at home we have a gestapo called homeland security busting those people that came north trying to find work to feed their families it's sick what our government has done both to us and every other nation we have touched, mass murder in Iraq so we could steal their oil. Enticing that tin pot dictator wannabe in Georgia to rile Russia. The support of Israel, that country is as bad as the nazies they just haven't achieved the quantity of bloodshed yet but they are as vile and blood thirsty as the nazies were it is sick indeed REMEMBER THE LIBERTY

Why aren't these firms

Why aren't these firms seeking loans from their stockholders and board of directors. If their own stockholders wont help them why should taxpayers? Isn't this exactly the self regulating free market economy the Republicans were so happy with before the crash. Perhaps these firms should be allowed to sink so something more positive can be built.

wrong,don't play dumb:many

wrong,don't play dumb:many so it coming, they secured themselves financially-big bonus, salary,etc] but did not say so to not get the plame/wilson treatment.

The biggest myth of all is

The biggest myth of all is that it can’t be allowed to fail! The truth is there is no chance for its survival. What we are seeing is not only the demise of free-markets but capitalism in its death throes. The central principle that governs all of nature is Impermanence. No thing, including socio-economic systems, survive forever. Nothing is exempt from the Law of Impermanence. This too shall pass. Change is the only constant. Only Logos endures, and Logos is no “thing.” Each form conforms to an essential tripartite pattern of existence: emergence, apogee and decay. The hysteria and fanaticism currently manifesting at the centers of powers represent the initial phase of the grieving cycle: denial. It will be followed shortly by anger, eventually, as we internalize the reality of the “tragedy”, we will move to grief. Finally, following our catharsis, reason will again reach ascendancy and we will respond proactively to produces conditions sufficient to our survival. The good news is: that which emerges from our current crisis will be the very thing required and equipped to preserve us in our new environment. I will hazard a guess and predict that the new socio-economic system will be social-ecology, it will be predicated on cooperation rather than competition, its prevailing paradigm will be abundance rather than scarcity, and its orientation will be ecological and global, it measure of wealth well-being rather than good-fortune. The only real question remaining is what degree of catastrophe will be required to catalyze change? How much crisis must we endure before we abandon the antiquated, anachronistic system currently wreaking havoc on the planet and our global community? and move into a system resonate with the new reality?

"Some wonder why, in the

"Some wonder why, in the face of such a massive financial crisis, so few of these executives have stepped up to apologize for, or even try to explain, their actions." Because they are suffering from a severe mental disorder called Insatiable Greed Syndrome and, like drug or gambling or alcohol addicts, they are in denial of, and therefore unable to apologize for or explain, their illness. Hell, Greenspan still insists he did everything right for f**ks sake...